Is the evergreen structure interesting for private credit? (Roundtable Private Credit - part 1)
This report was originally written in Dutch. This is an English translation.
Private credit is rapidly becoming a cornerstone of modern portfolios. The market is growing globally, shifting from corporate lending to broader niche segments and attracting more and more institutional investors. In part 1 of this roundtable discussion, experts examine the size of the market, the main sub-segments and the emergence of evergreen fund structures.
By Hans Amesz
This is part 1 of the report. Part 2 will be published on Wednesday 10 December and part 3 on Thursday 11 December.
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MODERATOR: Harry Geels, Auréus
PARTICIPANTS: Sam Foster, PIMCO Boris Harmsen, Pemberton Asset Management Jos Kalb, Cardano/Mercer Cyrus Korat, DRC Savills Investment Management Louay Mikdashi, Neuberger Berman Shelley Morrison, Aberdeen Investments Cyril Roblin, AXA IM Alts Jorg Sallaerts, Arcmont Asset Management Robert Scheer, M&G Investments Rajesh Sukdeo, Achmea Mortgages |
How big is the market in Europe compared to the United States? And is there private credit in emerging markets?
Cyrus Korat: 'The real estate debt market, particularly commercial mortgages, is worth approximately $1.25 to $1.5 trillion. However, it is a rather opaque market and therefore suffers from a lack of reliable statistics.'
Sam Foster: 'We currently estimate $1.7 trillion in private credit AUM worldwide, of which approximately $1.1 trillion is in the US, $500 billion in Europe and $100 billion in the rest of the world. Until now, the majority of this has been corporate direct lending, but we are now starting to see a shift to other areas, such as asset-based finance, which we believe could stimulate strong growth in the coming years.'
What sub-segments are we talking about? What are the latest niche markets?
Robert Scheer: 'You can break it down however you like. In the direct corporate loan market, for example, you can have segments based on the size of the target companies, the risk tolerance of the strategy, geographical focus, sector focus, and so on. You can also look at newer forms of private credit, such as ABL.'
Foster: 'We distinguish between three areas: corporate credit, asset-based finance and commercial real estate credit. Asset-based finance is basically everything that falls outside the more traditional corporate or commercial real estate credit: from mortgages for homes to consumer loans, financing of aircraft and digital infrastructure, but also intangible assets such as subscription lines, music rights and royalties.'
Shelley Morrison: 'The global market for Fund Finance is estimated at around one and a half trillion dollars. We often describe this as the largest asset class that investors have never heard of. There is still plenty of room for institutional investors to increase their market share.'
Jorg Sallaerts: 'Certain asset classes are growing faster than others. From a private credit perspective, the vast majority are still engaged in senior direct lending, but a few additional strategies have also emerged. We have also seen more opportunistic or complex senior lending strategies appear on the market.'
Rajesh Sukdeo: 'We have seen the mortgage lending asset class grow significantly in recent years. The annual turnover in volume exceeds one hundred billion, so it is a fairly large market. Banks still play a very important role in this area, but non-bank lenders are now established players in this segment and are becoming increasingly important.'
What is the typical (fund) structure in private credit? What is your opinion on evergreen structures?
Boris Harmsen: 'Direct lending is a less liquid asset class and was previously only available through closed-end funds. In recent years, however, new structures have been developed that meet the needs of different investors and sometimes offer (limited) liquidity.'
Korat: 'Debt is very suitable for evergreen structures because of its fixed term. Real estate is a textbook example of when open-ended funds do not work. As debt managers of an evergreen fund, we do not have to actively decide what to sell in the fund to generate liquidity for certain investors. Real estate managers do have that problem.'
Morrison: 'I am a fan of evergreen structures for private credit. Some of the concerns reported about conflicts of interest in evergreens are exaggerated. Many of these alleged conflicts of interest or concerns about liquidity matching, for example, can, I believe, be easily avoided by a more creative or innovative fund structure.'
Foster: 'In general, we believe that well-structured evergreen vehicles can offer attractive, streamlined solutions for clients seeking fully funded exposure to diversified portfolios without the need for capital calls. This allows them to continue investing for the long term and grow their returns, while maintaining potential access to liquidity. However, it is crucial that managers focus on delivering results for these investors, rather than simply providing access or accumulating assets. In this regard, we see three key risks: maintaining discipline in terms of size and capacity, ensuring sound asset-liability management, and managing valuations, particularly when investors can subscribe and redeem at NAV.'
Louay Mikdashi: 'An illiquid asset cannot be converted into a liquid asset, and investors must proceed with caution. The aim is to reduce the mismatch between assets and liabilities, while providing all investors with efficient access. We expect the evergreen structure to be a key driver of growth within the asset class over the next ten years or so.'
We expect the evergreen structure to be a key driver of growth within the asset class over the next ten years.
Jos Kalb: 'Valuation is important because it determines the costs charged. If the valuation is too high, this not only affects investors who want to exit, but also the management costs. So there needs to be proper oversight of how valuations are determined.'
Are there typical partnerships, for example with banks and private equity, when structuring deals? What are the drivers for these collaborations?
Mikdashi: 'The relationship between banks and private credit managers is not a zero-sum game. Although competition in areas such as traditional commercial lending has increased, there are still significant opportunities for collaboration. For example, banks continue to offer storage facilities that support private credit transactions in various sectors. As banks increasingly adopt open architecture models, we believe that both banks and private credit capital can grow and be successful together.'
Harmsen: 'If you want to invest in private credit as an institutional investor, you need to make sure you choose a manager who can deploy capital locally and has a physical presence in the various countries. You need to look at the size of the team in relation to the amount of capital raised and in relation to the size of the investment opportunities. If those three elements are in balance, you are probably dealing with an attractive value proposition. To be a valuable partner for private equity and for the limited partner, a private credit manager should be able to do everything themselves. You need to be able to raise your own capital, source deals yourself and manage that capital throughout the term of the loan, in good times and bad. I think the market is indeed starting to mature. You see managers raising larger funds. More than 80% of the mid-market is now financed by private lenders, and no longer by banks. Incidentally, banks have been withdrawing from this market for years.'
Sallaerts: 'I think that both banks and direct lenders have a role to play when it comes to the European private credit markets, which are indeed less efficient than those in the United States. This is still evident from the attractive returns we can achieve in Europe today compared to the American market. But there is no escaping the fact that the private credit market has experienced tremendous growth over the past fifteen years, because private equity funds appreciate the flexibility, speed and capital strength of our solution.'
Scheer: 'From an investor's perspective, I would have my doubts about investing in a fund that depends on banks as its origination channel. Potential conflicts of interest lurk around every corner. Will the bank show me the best deals it generates as a bank?'
Cyril Roblin: 'Regardless of the role banks play in syndicated loans, it is crucial that sourcing is done independently. We have the ability to arrange or co-arrange financing for our transactions ourselves. We even have our own exclusive sourcing, which is an important part of our business. It is really fundamental to ensure that we are not dependent in terms of sourcing and that we can find the best opportunities.'
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Harry Geels Harry Geels works at Auréus as a Senior Investment Advisor. He is jointly responsible for researching and selecting investment funds. He is also Deputy Editor-in-Chief of Financial Investigator. In addition, he is a part-time lecturer at the Actuarial Institute. Geels obtained his Master's degree in Financial Economics from VU Amsterdam in 1994. He writes his columns for Financial Investigator in a personal capacity. |
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Sam Foster Sam Foster is Vice President and Product Strategist at PIMCO in London, focusing on PIMCO’s alternatives strategies. He has been with the organisation since 2018. He has seven years of experience and holds a BSc in Economics from the University of Bath. He is a CFA charterholder. |
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Boris Harmsen Boris Harmsen is Managing Director, Head of Origination, Europe at Pemberton Asset Management. Prior to joining Pemberton in 2019, he worked at Deutsche Bank, where he was responsible for leveraged finance and sponsor coverage in the Benelux. He has over 15 years of experience in leveraged loans, credit and private equity, and has held senior positions at Egeria, Deutsche Bank and ABN AMRO. Harmsen holds an MSc in Law from the University of Groningen. |
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Jos Kalb Jos Kalb is Senior Portfolio Manager Impact Investing at Cardano/Mercer. He is involved in research and due diligence relating to impact managers who focus on a wide range of private market strategies. Kalb holds an MSc in Technical Informatics from Eindhoven University of Technology and an MSc in Econometrics from Tilburg University. He is a CFA and CAIA charterholder. |
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Cyrus Korat Cyrus Korat has over 29 years of experience in real estate and debt capital markets. Prior to joining DRC Capital (now DRC Savills Investment Management), he was Managing Director at Merrill Lynch & Co., where he worked as a senior risk taker in various disciplines, including ABS/mortgage trading, credit exotic trading and illiquids. He holds a BSc in Banking & Finance from Loughborough University. |
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Louay Mikdashi Louay Mikdashi joined Neuberger in 2022 as Head of Multi-Sector Private Credit. He leads portfolio management, business and strategic activities for multi-sector private credit opportunities. Prior to this, he held positions as Head of Opportunistic Alternatives at BlackRock EMEA and Global CIO of Alternatives at Santander Asset Management. Mikdashi is an alumnus of Harvard Business School, Boston College, Babson College and HEC. |
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Shelley Morrison Shelley Morrison is Head of Fund Finance at Aberdeen and responsible for investing institutional capital in debt facilities at fund level. She joined Aberdeen in 2019 from RBS, where she held the position of Director of Funds Banking. Morrison is a member of the executive committee of the Fund Finance Association EMEA and is part of Women in Fund Finance. |
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Cyril Roblin Cyril Roblin is Director in the Capza Artemid Private Debt team at AXA IM Alts, which focuses on the (sustainable) financing of small and medium-sized enterprises in Europe. He previously worked at Société Générale, Ardian Private Debt and Aforge Degroof Finance, among others. |
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Jorg Sallaerts Jorg Sallaerts is Head of Benelux at Arcmont Asset Management. Prior to this, he worked at Ares Management to expand the Benelux franchise. Before that, he held various positions at ING, mainly in leveraged finance in Amsterdam and London. Sallaerts holds an MSc in Finance from VU Amsterdam and a BSc in Business Administration from Radboud University in Nijmegen. |
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Robert Scheer Robert Scheer joined M&G Investments in 2022 as Co-Head of Private Credit Origination. He focuses on initiating and executing direct credit investments in the mid-market segment in continental Europe, with a particular focus on the DACH region. Scheer holds a BSc in Business Administration from the Frankfurt School of Finance & Management, an MSc in Finance from INSEAD in Singapore and is an alumnus of IMD in Lausanne. |
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Rajesh Sukdeo Rajesh Sukdeo has been Portfolio Manager Mortgages at Achmea Mortgages since 2006, responsible for strategy, portfolio management and customer relations within the commercial and residential mortgage funds. Previously, he worked at OHV Capital Markets in fixed income sales and at SNS Securities on the fixed income desk. He holds MSc degrees in Finance, Monetary Economics and Real Estate Finance from Erasmus University and the University of Amsterdam. |










